AA Co Founder Bill W. was a huge sexual predator…the roots of this current problem
Tom Powers helped Bill Wilson to write Bill’s second book, Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions. Francis Hartigan, who was Lois Wilson’s private secretary and confidant, recently wrote a biography of Bill Wilson. For it, Hartigan interviewed Tom Powers, and quoted Tom as saying that he had urged Bill to quit his smoking and womanizing:
“All the while we were working on the ‘Twelve and Twelve,’” Tom said, “I would argue with him, ‘you’re killing yourself. And think about what you’re doing to Lois!”
While other people I spoke with insisted that Lois never knew about Bill’s affairs, Tom insisted that “Lois knew everything and she didn’t have to guess about it, either. A lot of people tried to protect her, but there were others who would run to Stepping Stones to tell Lois all about it whenever they saw Bill with another woman.
I asked Tom how Bill reacted when Tom would insist that Bill’s guilt over his infidelities was responsible for his depressions.
“I think that was the worst part of it,” he said. “Bill would always agree with me. ‘I know,’ he’d say. ‘You’re right.’ Then, just when I would think we were finally getting somewhere, he would say, ‘But I can’t give it up.’
“When I would press him as to why the hell not, he would start rationalizing. What would really kill me is when he’d say, ‘Well, you know, Lois has always been more like a mother to me.’ Which somehow was supposed to make it all right for him to cheat on her.”
Tom himself had also been sexually compulsive even after he quit drinking, and he found it very hard to change his behavior. …
Tom said that it took him five years after he quit drinking to change his behavior in this area, and for five years after that, he tried to get Bill to change, too. “Besides what he was doing to the women he was chasing and to Lois, his behavior was a huge source of controversy in AA,” Tom said. “He could be very blatant about it, and there were times when it seemed like the reaction to a particularly flagrant episode would end up destroying everything he had worked for. But then people would scurry around and smooth things over, or cover it all up.”
According to Tom, Bill’s behavior caused some of his most ardent admirers to break with him. Eventually, Tom broke with Bill, too.
“I told him that I still considered him to be my sponsor, but that I didn’t want to work with him anymore. I said that I hoped we could be friends, but I didn’t want to have anything more to do with him publicly. I just couldn’t go on feeling as though I was in any way supporting what he was doing to Lois — and to himself.
“Bill said, ‘Fine. I feel the same way about you, too,’ and we shook on it. As though it were some mutually agreed upon parting of the way, with fault on both sides. Which was a real switcheroo, you know. I think he knew that I saw right through it, but I guess it made him feel better not to have to take responsibility for destroying what had been a very enjoyable and productive working relationship.”
BIG FUCKIN DEAL
Yes it is a big deal. People need to know that sexual harassment & battery & rape is against the law. ANd that AA’s stupid little traditions are not procedures & protocols. They are made up mumbo jumbo. Half of them are not true at ALL anymore. More lies. Read the Concepts. They say AA is responsible. AA is not above the law.
AA in our area is full of sexual predators. Most of them are Big Book thumpers and gurus. Our worst sleaze bags run Big Book study groups (they memorize the Joe and Charle tapes and most of the dupes think they came up with this material themselves). AA is starting to publish Grapevine articles on this subject, but more needs to be done. The GAO archieves have volumes not accessible to anyone (including GSO Board members !). My guess these documents concern Wilson’s activities in “sobriety”.
welcome Joe! Can you tell us what area, city you are in? Yes we are finding them some of the worst are the old timers and the crazy BB thumpers.
My partner, Joseph Lawerence Bourke, has AIDS and is an admitted sex addict AND sits and leads meetings like a sociopath “painting this amazing picture” ….I have a book to write, but put it this way, he is a Predator extreme, claims to have all this time, but he lies about everything else how do we know that is true? But despite the AA Dogma, he is a straight up murderer and has been at it for 20 years and I just saw him last week and confronted him in an alley in Costa Mesa CA and he said “this is my place..” as in, if I came there for
…He threatened to “knock my teeth down the back of my throat ” if I went there….Because sex addicts and sociopaths feel massive “threat” in their own heads to anyone who reveals the mask they hide under…In this case he is a murderer, so I have to have more balls and I will, f*ck him, I went to the P.D. and have also contacted the FBI as he has a TRAIL of women he is killing and keeps on going..However..I saw a chick with brown hair running after him and she was “all taken” by his bullsh&t and I felt alarmed..I will be goin there next week to warn her…She seems like a nice person…The next target of the sociopath….But when you do try to warn them some of the time? The AA dogma has ME as the crazy one..and him with all of this “supposed time” …as he is a fu*king liar about everything..look at his morals..there are none…and they WANT SO BADLY to believe this so called “guru” …He even :smirked ” at me over it as even he knows…WTF are you supposed to do…other than putting a bullet in this guys a$$…..I am figuring out a plan
I will be the flea on his ass for enternity as long as he is murdering vulnerable women that do not have their brains yet..Yeah, Dr. Bob and Bill Wilson LOL! Thank God I have a good upbringing and intelligence….We can challenge these losers and maybe help some people for real
peace, hugs out, liz.
AA …it was a problem..Even though I only ever share in a general way and have not spoke about him there YET..I will
elizabeth- I also want to warn you that he sounds really dangerous. ANd maybe you should stay really far away from him.
Elizabeth- May I suggest for you to call the Federal Marshals. Not just the police and the FBI. In the case where Keeper’s son TJ was murdered by his AA sponsor Gerald Estes.
elizabeth- Hi and Welcome! This is a mouthful. This is horrible. I am so sorry you had to go through this. Im glad you are going to the police. Just BEWARE…some of the cops are in AA now. I was shocked when I found this out. I htought how can a cop call himself powerless. How could a Officer of the Law really buy that AA bullhist from 1935 to be their “design for living”
Im glad you found us. You are not alone. This man you are talking about is one of the many doing this behavior. I have heard that some have even penetrated the massive “Yoga” world in Los Angeles with their guru bs talk. I know for a fact there is one from NA doing this in Burbank,CA. They get their 20 years, 13 step everything that moves in AA or NA, then graduate to a Yoga community.
Take a look at the front page story about the Karla Brada Murder on http://www.leavingaa.com. If you feel….contact me at makeaasafer@gmail.com and I we can talk.
I would keep a journal and write down everything. SO you went to the Police. WHat happened there? You called the FBI? We have too. WHat happened with that? Its happening all over the Country, UK and Australia and Canada.
We can put your story on the front page of my leaving AA blog. Let me know.
Hi, I just read my post, I was a bit worked up
Anyway, what I stated was true. However, get this, Joe USED to be a cop, but he went on trial for Police Brutality….He got off. It was a drunk driving stop and to be fair to him , him and his partner were “jumped” ..But the brutal bloody mess Joe left was enough to put him on trial…Anyway, he is a sociopath. Its been three years I have been dealing with him. He is having sex with women in 4 different programs and has AIDS. Most don’t know about the others, I am the one he said to ” you are not like the others…you are smart…” The others? I just started to see that things were not adding up, I am well like and am of service and connect to a lot of people…So I just started to “see it” and started to connect the dots. He has never “reacted” with ” I am sorry” when caught at doing anything, he goes into a rage, even if you are calm …I mean RAGE…and threatens violence. This guy has tried to kill me in 5 different ways…I feel devastated for other victims as well as myself and I am trying to do something…. It is not because he is a victim of AIDS, it is the way he acts. I love three people very much that have HIV, I lost one person and they were amazing human beings…I just want to make that clear, it is because Joe acts “Without conscience” when potentially infecting these women….Who ARE compromised to me as they are trying to recover from alcohol and drugs…I am a strong person, but even this lack of humanity has shook me to my core as there is not one bit of remorse out of his mouth…I am not exaggerating, not one. Massive, when you say that I should contact the people in that case, what state are they in? DO you mean that you think they could understand what he is doing because of that case? Anyway, it took a lot for me to reach out , but I am gaining more confidence in my position in my recovery as I get more clear in who and what he is. Yes, he is dangerous, but I am not going to back down from this type of evil….I can’t live with myself if I do. Burden of knowledge and all of that
……*deep sigh*………..I will write more…..I will be back, thank you for listening
There are a lot of good people in the world, I know I am one of them and I know others, so I am not going to lose faith in people, but he has some serious disturbance that cannot allow empathy to have the guard dropped to allow him to risk others lives. This is not a good scene and it is happening right now….I am dealing with him …right now. be back, all advice welcome…e.
elizabeth- Question, when you say he is killing people, do you mean that by infecting them with aids and not telling them…? He is sober/Clean 20 years he says? Are all these women new comers? All is relevant.You are right. I can feel through your post how difficult this situation is.
Are there any other men or women down there that will support you in having stop his sexual predation? Do you want to go to this meeting with Make AA Safer Flyers and tell them you want to have workshop regarding sexual predation and financial scamming. I have been contacted by women in North San Diego and orange county area. I will come to help you although I am recovering from a serious health issues currently. When I am fully recovered I would be willing to come there to help you.
Do you want a group of us to come to your meeting with you and one of us will make the announcement? You do not have to do it alone. When dealing with it in LA I had my husband come to make the announcement in one of the worse meetings in West LA. I invited Women who had stopped going to mixed meetings to come and see what was going on. We have the very first MAke AA Safer Workshop.
How long have you been going to meetings at this particular location?
Are you aware there is a new law that protects women from harassment. I want to suggest that you begin to think about what he said to you. He can not threaten you this way. If he says one more word to you like this you can file a retraining order against him. You can file a civil lawsuit if he sexually harasses you.
I am going to find the link to the the Women Against Violence Act. This includes the way he is speaking to you.
I hope you will contact me so we could possible talk on the phone. makeaasafer@gmail.com
I was sexually harassed by AA men when I was 18, 19, and 20 years old many times. I am a sober women with and now Im 55. WHat I see in AA now is an atrocity.
And despite what he has done and as angry as I become at this horrific situation, I do not wish him and harm. I just want him held accountable and stopped. Lofty task, may never be possible, more people may have to get injured and sick and he may NEVER be held accountable. I am doing my best on my own. Its tough. He thinks this is a game he has to “win”…..There are no winners in this bizarre scenario, just a predator with a screwed up head. ….agree?
Thanks , e.
I just want him held accountable and stopped. Lofty task, may never be possible,
no its not. You can do it. People in AA just need to think that AA is just as accountable as the Boy Scouts of AMerica, The Catholic Church, etc….stop thinking AA is a special above the law secret society.
Say to yourself. If I were in a PTA meeting and a man there just talked to me like this what would I do. How hard would I fight this situation!
See what I mean…
Good point, Its called brain washing
I know, they are.thank you for that. thank you. God in heaven..What happened to my CLARITY?
PS I can’t tell you just yet what the law said….but they are aware, but it’s not going to be easy, because the threatening violence thing…that violated CA penal code….But …well, I will email you…..The police wanted me to spend all day in OC Superior court, but really? It is the Feds I trust more. I have my reasons why, I will email you. For anyone reading this, I will update you when I can on the law stuff. All I can tell you…It is NOT easy. And Joe is in another program called Businees Debtors Anonymous – B.D.A., Alanon of course, AA and SAA…..Anyway you look at it, he is a predator…I know, I have the emails, the evidence, I have lived with it…He has also used prostitutes ( I knowbut he admits it too) ….Also massage parlors…When I confronted him if he ..I said ” DID YOU TELL THOSE POOR WOMEN YOU WERE HIV POSITIVE!!!*#*#*@(#! …” He just “looked ” at me….Before that he was “: smirking” when he said that the women he was preying on in Program…He smirked and said ” I tooolllld them..” But I said ” You are a sociopath! You don’t care about them! They ARE NOT informed what is going to happen to them!!! ” He just smirks at me….*ugh* I have PTSD by the way, he knows that too….He doesn’t care! I must be stronger, I must find justice…somehow. …..Funny how we with a conscience just want justice…when they are ALL OUT inevitably harming people? Just a thought.
Yes, and to add the icing to the cake? I had a 65 year old senior citizen NOT in program , crying on my phone who thought he was having a relationship with her, but she did know he had AIDS, but he manipulated her and for some reason she had unprotected sex with him…She is ok, but she told me she was crying in her church and had lost her dignity and self respect..and could not tell her kids..cried at her medical billing job…I spent time comforting this woman…………I confronted him…He said ” that’s odd that you would have compassion for her! …”.,,,,She is a human being,,,,told you I could write a book…I think this speaks to many people.,,,,I was in my late 30′s at the time. He said to me ” I am not a monster,,,” Yes, he is. *ugh* God help me, what landed on my doorstep…..what happened…I just went to AA to get sober…Now I have PTSD and a potential criminal case I am trying to pursue ….I say potential as I may just pass it over and have it taken out of my hands…Let the cops deal with it…This is hard, that is all I can say. Unlike him, I like to put my head on the pillow with a clear conscience….I can’t let him just do this and say nothing, it is not fair to those unsuspecting families and women. Some can be saved….e.
Massive…Sorry…Keep thinking…If you WANT the WHOLE Story, I will email it to you and you can read it and you are welcome to call me and we can put it on the front page. I will preface my story that I do not wish this individual “harmed” I just want him STOPPED…and more importantly, STOP HIM…from killing women. This is my NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. He just doesn’t get it…I have screamed, cried, yelled, threatened
Done IT ALL! He just keeps on keepin on doing it….I think part of his game is also driving me insane ..Psychopaths do that….I have had to get a lot of top Dr.s to train me in this behavior as if I did not even know what it was…and getting some intellectual/psychological help to try and understand was one of the main things that stopped me from cracking up….breaking down….I am very strong….and it brought me down hard…I am lucky to have access to such good care..some poor women? That i have literally taken the shirt of my back to keep warm? Held in my arms as they had a seizure? Nursing them with love? Women I love and met in recovery? Some of them have NO CHANCE with this guy….There is a trail of them…God give me the strength…..Damn..this is hard. e.
okay email me and we can talk.
Do you have a civil case against him? makeaasafer@gmail.com
we can post a top story about it if you want.
It gets worse. He said to me ” if you make me look bad (share) I will go to jail and take you with me and IT will not be pretty…” He also admitted this in front of a Therapist I was going to as he came one day to “sort him and I out! ”
The Therapist told me that he could not ever see him again due to his indication to want to act violent …This was at the very beginning of my care when I was dealing with the abuse and did not know what was happening….I have Cognitive Dissonance and Traumatic Bonding PURELY from this realtionship from him in AA, I am being seen at Hoag Neurocience Division for Pych/ Counseling help…Yes I am an alcoholic..Hence why I WENT to AA!
But I do not have anything else wrong with me other than they told me the other day PTSD and the aforementioned issues that have come from fighting with this sociopath on my own,,,,He is VERY good at smear campaigns…Yes…..That is another thing I have been dealing with. I am the “crazy one”…Well yes, of COURSE I am going crazy
So to speak..I have a good family and am a good person and am functioning the best I can..I don’t have a “trail” of victims, I am not going around threatening violence at AA…anyway, you get the picture, it is the typical Abusive situation, except with a huge disturbing spin here. Thank you for listening, I feel overwhelmed. e. I have only told you the tip of the iceberg.
He said to me ” if you make me look bad (share) I will go to jail and take you with me and IT will not be pretty…
elizabeth, he can not threaten you this way.
Ok….I threatened him with a Restraining Order in March 2011..I had 13 months sober..I broke under the strain of the abuse and I relapsed….I “broke” when I found out about Olivia B. (above) the 65 year old neighbor and I found his genitals on the internet….Long story….At this point he had also admitted going to “jail panels” ok? And using as he says “yound mexican women/prostitutes” for oral sex outside there and in Santa Ana…I was horrified and immediately asked about what he thought about the women…As he is Mr. Sobriety right? …God this horrible…Anyway….His sister shot herself in the head and committed suicide on the SAME DAY i found all this stuff out…So here comes my family…his family…this poor womens death…And I took my one year chip feeling as if I had just ran a marathon…Came home and almost “fainted” in my kitchen..( and I NEVER EVER FAINTED in my life)…As they were all together and I was the only had all this in my mind…So he started raging to bad at me…That I threatened an order..then he talked me out of it…as I blocked him but he started emailing my work,….so I talked to him..and then he said ” If you ever try to do that to me again, I will wake up two inches from your face..” And I WAS in a “joke.so called relationship” but he was sleeping with other people the whole time and sex workers and the 65 year old nieghbor…and it just turned deadly practically….So recently….I have thought about it as we were apart for a while and I went to PTSD recovery…never even knew I HAD PTSD…I was a mess….big mess…and then he came crawling back in and it ALLLL Started up again and I have found out ALLLLL the same things…..and now I can see the SAME pattern ALLLL over again in South ORange County…This time, I have had a lot of help although still shattered by all of this and still messed up…And I had to go through $1000′s ( not kidding) of counseling JUST FOR THIS GUY….And medical bills…..So yes, I think if anyone knows him AT ALL? It is me…..I know now…I walk into the meetings and I see him and I see …No one else does….Well, that is not true, old timers do….some other healthy people…But they do not say anything…..I am so angry at him…..So the next step was to start the next “proceeding”..and I am drained…As he doesn’t WANT me back in AA as he DOESN’T WANT ME! TO SAY ANYTHING! AS he is hurting more women…and I freaked out completely….as here we go again around the round about…I should learn, predators don’t stop…..So he wants me GONE out of AA…as he is afraid I will “speak” and “protect’ people…It is all about “how he looks” which he has even said to me…Which took massive counseling for me to even “get this” it is hard to try and understand abnormal pathology when you are close to it..He has a very, very, very good mask….So…..It is shocking to walk out of AA where he acts normal, everyone shaking his hand and smiling…and then go in the back alley and get the “behind the mask”….I see him. I see him very clearly. And he knows it, that is why he is threatening me…To us with a conscience this is bizarre and like I said hard to wrap your head around…But this is how predators are…Yes, I am very very very traumatized…This is like freaking twilight zone! Yes, he did have 20 years, but he gave his girlfriend Slyvia AIDS , tattoo of her name on his arm….She is not in Program, she left him as GUESS WHAT? HE CHEATED ON HER WITH WOMEN IN PROGRAM! It is not the 12 Step women’s fault, as he LIES LIES LIES…If his lips are moving, he is lying….Anyway…I thought about another order…I ended up here as I am “thinking about it” but it would escalate him…I would rather seek other methods of accountability, but it is not ruled out. It will not stop him, so that piece of paper doesn’t matter…Why would he not stop himself in his heinous acts? It will serve as a Public Record, that may or may not protect people, who want to believe me that may run across him and not get harmed….But you know how it is….I for one, am not going to sign “under penalty of perjury” unless I MEAN IT! And I WILL! But it is abused so much that some people cannot see that you are telling the truth and it may put me in more danger…I am just sure what to do yet….This is very hard. e.
I think when we are new …the first few years ….we are so emotionally volatile. I have been there. But it was 37 years ago. I think you need support. I know many women turn their back. go to http://www.leavingaa.com go to http://www.stinkin-thinkin.com http://www.orange-papers.org http://www.nadaytona.org to read how people outside of AA feel, how ex AA members who have been harmed feel.
I meant he said he “went out” when he gave Sylvia Aids so he “reset’ his sobriety date to 8 years…As he felt so bad for HIMSELF giving her AIDS, lying, cheating etc..He drank over it or used drugs he said….SO he reset his date…And then CONTINUED to do the SAME SH!T! So does this make sense to anyone? WTF? Deep sigh.., I was a newcomer, so it took over a year to even piece all of this together, get the truth or even understand what the heck was going on…..YES I am ALARMED…that he “does” and “doesn’t” tell women or anyone else the truth, the whole truth, versions of the truth, lies completely, omits he has AIDS to sex workers and allI have to go on is his word for the other women he has out of control sexual behavior with…but if his lips are moving? He is lying. That was very, very , very hard for me to come to terms with as it “skews” the rest of your normal life/universe as you are not used to this pathological predatory lack of conscience…It is a very hard thing to gel in your head…very hard. It takes time to see this behavior, so a lot of lies, deception, going to figure out truth…its a nightmare ok? People don’t stand a chance if they get into this, i am very lucky to have had good help and I am still messed up , intelligent, good person….But damn….So shocking to think about other poor women who are very, very lost…I was sick too….But I am a fighter..I have no idea how many women he has killed in many different ways so to speak…..think about it..20 years of this? One family member of his said to me..” YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT EVER STOOD UP TO HIM…”….and smiled at me….So I was puzzled at the time..but now I get it….I guess I am. He is a dominating personality..yeah, I have stood up to him…I am . I have. I will. This is about others too….What has he done over 29 years..I shudder to think…based on what I know over 3. ….
If he reads any of this , he will kill me. I am not kidding. And this, is all true, which is why I am so screwed up by it, I am looking for ” a place” to put it. One of my friends in AA is a lawyer, her and her sister, they are twins. they said I should write up the last ..months, years and they will give it to the D.A., I am just so afraid, I guess I have to get over that. More importantly, can you STOP someone like him? I don’t know. He wants to “stop us” not the other way around. People with conscience “stop themselves”…He is a run away train, hence why I am in so much danger. No conscience. ….Hard to grasp, but after all of this? Is this a person with conscience? I have tried to be in denial and give the benefit of the doubt.. But the hatred in his shark dark eyes when he rages, the abuse of women and poor girls prostituting themselves ( he just threw it in my face last week as he runs mixed SAA about ” young prostitutes..” as he is evil and he is trying to hurt me..Mr. Sobriety in S.A.A. right? Helping these poor girls? LOL! Sorry that was irony that laugh….I want to wrap them all in blankets and save them from him…..for their own future….What about the old women in B.D.A. he does what is called ” PRG’s on..Basically he goes over their finances….They don’t see behind his mask, he is so charming to them…..they get taken in…This allows him to see if they have any money…SO this program? He told me several statements: ” I can get the money and bring it back to us…”…” I used to be a giggolo in there when my business was failing …” *excuse me horrified throwing up goin on* and ” There are a lot of B*thce in OC with money…” So this is your BDA Guru ladies! SAA! AA! ALANON! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh…..On a lighter note I told one of my friends I was going to join F.A. over this which is F8cking A!
j/k over the whole deal …That was humor
If you didn’t have that…well then what? Totally crack up? In all serious ness, I have had a massive negative impact to my life and I am just coming to terms with WTF happened with this guy…and I am trying to find my “position” to use this new found knowledge to do SOMETHING…to help others….The problem with insane stories…They are so true and so hard to live through…That how do you get through to others? I mean if you live it and you are having a hard time with it? How do I expect people in program to get it..Yes, their’s is a special brand of evil…or insanity or both. However, his is a goal oriented insanity…The Dr.’s tell me ” Elizabeth..He is not insane…He KNOWS…he is Morally insane…without conscience…that is different..” They are calculating…Still shocking no matter how you try to process that as it has very real , very painful, very destructive outcomes…..deep sigh…..And I still haven’t told you everything..You know….I think we do need to educate others, so yes, some kind of “safe program” if someone already created it would be great to present….However, I think when I fully recover, I will be the expert at ADDING to that
hugs all, e. PS Sorry for the rambling way I am writing, I am distressed and this is off the top of my head….thanks, e.
I can’t believe I tried to tell you guys all of that….its all true….deep sigh. I just want someone to “see” him and be saved. As sick as it is, he would get off on all this drama that we think so much of him or that I am this distressed..I know, as he smiles when I cry…….Well…..If the tables are turned hard enough, maybe someone else won’t have too. Or their families / loved ones. He has no right to abuse 12 Step programs or people in them in this manner, when they are looking for answers and just trying to save their lives. Sorry I am a bit scattered, this will do it to you. ….trust me. god bless, e.
PS Thank you and Thank God for this blog, where else could you even go to start to explain any of this? . I know there are good people in this world….But this predator? Some people come to 12 Step programs with nothing? They can leave with less than nothing if he abuses them…I have to help them. It does hurt. It hurts a lot. I have never done this before. I just went there to get sober. Just because I became addicted to alcohol for many reasons, doesn’t mean I am a bad person and that I cannot see right from wrong. This is very worng, this is really bad. e.
elizabeth- thanks for pouring your heart out here. Its a very bad situation you are facing. Hang in . Fight BACk. Stand up and speak up and speak out. But with him, surround yourself with safe people. He is dangerous. You are right. I hope u email me.
I’m going to go rest now, thank you guys for being there, this has been a nightmare, I will be back tomorrow. luv and hugs , e. PS forgive the way I wrote about this, it is hard to articulate and it gives me panic attacks, so not at my best. But I want the message out, not to “hurt” joe..but to stop him and make our groups safer. I think he may have gone to far though and I am the main witness. ..I think this is so. The whole thing hurts, I never wanted this, I don’t understand him…Why is always a big question in my head. nite all, thank you massive, email your number, talk to you tomorrow. e. *deep sigh* ..I post when I am sighing deep as I am…think it is healing…this is horrible. e
Goodnight! ANd Take care!
Goodness Elizabeth! You have been to hell and back again with this nutcase! Thank you for letting the world know how dangerous Alcoholics Anonymous can be. Do your best to protect yourself, take care!
@ Anti-Denial, I wish it wasn’t so. It is. I am still recovering right now, I wonder if I will ever be the same. Thank you for reading about this, it is not something easy to talk about or to integrate into your psyche once you go through this. Btw, he think she is perfectly fine and I am the crazy one and all women who cross him are B8thces, wH*res etc….It’s pretty awful stuff….I am trying to get the Safe Meeting stuff from Monica, if this is what I have been through, then I have to get better and educate, educate, educate…..To help others.
You might not be the ” same”, but that does not mean that you cannot come out of this stronger and wiser.
The expression” what doesnt kill you will make you stronger” holds true often. It is good to see where adversity in one’s life can have it’s benefits. It shapes who you are. I am certainly stronger for the adversity in my life. I think you will come out stronger as well.
I am not sure if you are familiar with http://www.smartrecovery.orgthey have lots of free online support, articles, as well as online meetings, They are non-12 step.
I talked to Massive. She is so empowering
Thank God for her
I think we might actually be able to save lives.
I think she and others already have by warning people of the sexual predation in 12 step meetings. This was rarely discussed until about 3 or more years ago with Stinkin- Thinkin, Orange Papers and this website. We can use all the help we can get!
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