Alcoholics Anonymous Member Safety Workshop in Lexington, Kentucky- local rapist loose in AA community -keeping it hush hush
A blogger posted this on the blog here and I am hoping to bring it into the light.
PLEASE, PLEASE if you have been raped by an AA member you must go to the police. He does not get to rape you . He will rape someone else. Anonymity has nothing to do with breaking the law. This is not what any of the traditions mean. AA literature is NOT THE LAW. AA IS NOT THE SKULL & BONES Society folks. AA’s writings were written in the 1940′s when rapists were not allowed alone with blacks and gays and prostitutes.
This what was posted:
There is going to be an AA Safety “workshop” put on by the two Districts in Lexington, Kentucky AA. I found this out very recently. I was also told that this workshop is in reaction to a woman being raped locally by another member. People I know also know the identities of the rapist and the victim, and went so far as to tell me I’ve been in a meeting with the rapist and probably know him as well; but they hide behind the misused concept of anonymity and will not tell me or anyone else who this person is. It appears though that the idea of CYA for safety is becoming more visible. I am hoping some good can come of it, at least the idea of there being a problem is starting to surface.
From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality
Spirituality is the concept of an ultimate or an alleged immaterial reality; an inner path enabling a person to discover the essence of his/her being; or the “deepest values and meanings by which people live.” Spiritual practices, including meditation, prayer and contemplation, are intended to develop an individual’s inner life.
Somehow this description does NOT sound like AA to me…does it to you?
Long before I attended my first AA meeting at age 18, I was praying and reading spiritual books. Books about God and Buddha. Many of us in the 1970′s were pouring over writings by Herman Hesse who penned Steppenwolf and Siddhartha and the poet Kahlil Gibran author of The Profit. As the smoke curled up from the joints in the ash tray in my old apartment in New York City, I knew as we contemplated the meaning of life and what reality really was …..LOL …that God was not something you just ‘made up’ . We painted pictures of angels on my bedroom wall with watercolors and listened to Jethro Tull, Cat Stevens, John Lennon and Led Zepplin depending on our mood.
I was raised Catholic and loved going to mass as a kid and singing hymns. I loved wearing my white gloves and early morning mass attendance during Lent. Prayers like The Apostle’s Creed in Latin, The Lords’ Prayer I had memorized all by the age of 7 and I got an A in Catechism.
So, where did I go wrong in buying into this made up honkey, mumbo jumbo, fake religion of Alcoholics Anonymous, posing as a new thought, self help, reality of progressive arm chair pychology of the1970′s. The counterculture of the 1960′s spilled into the 70′s that then gave birth to the New Age religions that grew into many new cults.
Telling us teens things like, “take what you like and leave the rest” , Identify …don’t compare” was what I see now as extreme manipulation. The longer I am gone from AA …the madder I get sometimes.
So with the challenge of courts and lawsuits that have already found AA a religion, I am stunned and horrifed. What religion tells the women , “what’s your part in it “when a man sexually harasses or rapes her?
AA clearly states it is not a religion. In the preamble it says,
“A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution;”…..really?
So when it’s convenient for them, its not a religion, but when it serves them… it is? Which is it. The 4th and 9th Circuit Court of appeals has already deemed AA a religion. If it is… it is a really sick f#####king religion that Aetna, Blue Cross and Kaiser need to know about before they pay for someone’s help with the rehabilitation from alcohol or drug overuse.
This is the next stage of activism we can all do eventually.
If the person who is non religious was sent by their Dr’s or an EAP ( employee assistance program ) or Professional Therapist …I think it will be a slam dunk of a lawsuit.
Think about it.
But I guess there are two points to this post.
1) That clearly AA and Bill WIlson just made up a stupid fake religion calling it a fellowship back then in the 1930′s. Today, its called a program. People are mislead and think there are trained leaders and professionals there. There is no such thing.
In fact there is a high percentage of dangerous criminals there targeting vulnerable unsuspecting members. I have read in numerous news articles, judges actually telling a criminal /and or citizen to get a “sponsor , as if the “sponsor ” is trained like a priest or therapist. This is also not true.
In fact many sponsors give much bad and hurtful advice and after years can be know to power trip and think they should run the sponsees life in all areas, even if they are failures in their own careers and have no marriage or successful relationships.
My final point here is this…
2) That Health Insurance Companies have been boon swindled into thinking AA is a ….what… what do they think AA is? A religion? If not, do they think its a new age think tank for alcoholics of the variety from the dark ages? Shall we begin to let blood again.
Or should we all call our health insurance companies and tell them what is really going on in AA and that they should no longer pay for rehabs who are 12 step based and drive their clients to meetings or… we will sue them, that the parents of murdered children will sue them….
Mixing our medicine, a religion, a cult and a made up archaic program from the 30′s sounds like a recipe for disaster.
If we can get to our media, our entertainment, our Insurance Companies and our community to see this truth, we will be on our way to get science back into medicine where it belongs and to throw the cults out the window and pray that AA will be successfully sued like The Catholic Church for sexual pedophilia.
Were You 13 Stepped “AA Alcoholics Anonymous Style” by Doug Allman in Hawaii in the1970′s or by Someone like him?
In the 1970′s there was an AA member named Doug Allman age 26 in Kailua, Hawaii who 13 stepped many young woman. I was 18 and barely aware of what AA and its culty culture was all about. I was one of many young woman he 13 stepped over the next decade or two. So, were you one of the 500 or so woman sexually harassed by him? He played guitar, sang Kenny Loggins songs, drove a black convertable, had long wavy brown hair, a beard, could massage you while you discussed the Big Book, he knew the program in and out and he worked for a Drug rehab program in Honolulu. Although in his early years he was not highly educated, it was later he got his degree. SO in the early years he used the fact that he in was in AA/NA to throw his weight around. Basically no dates for free sex for mr AA. Better know as the non relationship man.
He would make friends with newcomer women coming out of St Francis Women Alcohol Treatment Center in Honolulu. He would move them into his place for about 6 weeks, get sick of them then throw them out when he was done with them.
He was a user. Many oldtimers knew what he was doing. A few confronted him. Most blamed the young women and asked them the stupid AA question of the year. “What’s your part in it”. Looking back now, I realized I was 18 …he was 26. He was 5 years sober. I had 2 weeks. I knew nothing about AA.
38 years later I realize I had no part in it. I was young. I was naive. I wanted to hang out with people who didn’t drink. WHAT A PRICE TO PAY. I should have become a Muslim or a Buddhist. Oh well.
If you were 13 stepped by him or any man or women back in the 1970′s and 80′s, or any time in this century, by a person who was well respected, had 5 or more years clean time/sober, was older then you were, we would love to hear your story, how you coped and how you are today. Oh yea, and have you too left AA/NA.
There is a Documentary Film dealing with this subject in the making. There is also a journalist interested in any stories to be told. Up front, close and personal….no hiding in the shadows anymore . No anonymous Bullshit anymore. No using the AA name to play these games of harassment and sexual predation under the radar of made up spirituality.
There are two News Reporters, one at a Major network and another who has contacted a Journalist working behind the scenes on the problems really going on in AA and how women are being treated.
Many have contacted me directly on my other blogs.
Either way if you have been hurt and are willing to speak they want to talk to you. Please contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
You might also want to know that AA is being sued and it is a very strong case. There is finally an ATTORNEY in Los Angeles who will do it and she understands the LAW and how AA tried to wiggle around and under it with its ridiculous traditions.
Please if you know someone who has been harmed and they are ready to talk, please give them my information.
Please help stop the silence that has been going on in 12 step for ever….no women needs to be murdered, raped, molested and sexually harassed by AA men ever again. Stop The Silence…
Are Sexual Predators, Violent Criminals and Intimidating Alcoholics Anonymous Members Ruining Your Group?
Lately there have been a few stories posted here and on my http://www.leavingaa.com blog as well as on http://www.nadaytona.org and http://www.stinkin-thinkin.com that are just horrific. These stories are about Sponsor coercion, intimidation, bad 13 stepping aka sexual assault and harassment.
When I first started this blog it was just about bad 13 stepping. But quickly the stories posted to the world …here , along with private emails I received from both men and women who were fed up, left AA, abused, used and disenfranchised filled my file cabinet.
The file is now 2 inches thick with horror stories of all kinds.
Now finally there is something real brewing to defend the innocent from killers, rapists and your garden variety AA fucker who is sexually and financial screwing the regular average AA or NA member.
The tide has turned.
I hope that if any of you have a serious legal gripe with a person in AA/NA, that is non violent, file a civil lawsuit. You do not need a lawyer to file a lawsuit.
If it is violent, please document, contact us, contact the police, but we strongly suggest that you ask them if they are in AA. In fact, during the process, we highly suggest you say to each individual , cop, even a Police Chief, detective, Judge and lawyer…are you in AA/NA? If they are then we suggest you request that someone else handle your case. Then you can say ” It is a conflict of interest”- I need someone else to handle this case for me. Be strong and hold you ground on this one.
This is what happened initially with Jerry Sandusky. The first judge knew him and worked with him personally with at risk teens. She was thrown off the case and replaced.
Both NA and AA World Head Quarters are non profits and successful. Just like The Boy Scouts of America who was sued. AA in local areas can be sued if they know this is going on and do nothing. AA is in NY. NA is in Los Angeles. Area 5 and the West side District was put on notice and they not only ignored us but suppressed us and the truth and did not give us a chance or did they support the few districts who put on MAKE AA SAFER WORKSHOPS. IN fact one area as well as West LA was told that they would not put the flyer about the workshops up on the SO CAL AA website, because in quotes ” it might hurt the AA name and scare people away”.
Imagine that! They care more about their reputation then member safety.
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Alcoholics Anonymous World Services and Santa Clarita Alcoholics Anonymous has been sued by the parents of murder victim Karla Brada.
Grieving parents say in court that their daughter was murdered by her sociopathic addict boyfriend because Alcoholics Anonymous concealed his history of domestic violence.
” The Mendezes say that AA showed a “reckless disregard for, and deliberate indifference … to the safety and security of victims attending AA meetings who are repeatedly preyed on at these meetings by financial, violent, and sexual predators like Earle.” AA has known for years that meetings “are repeatedly used by financial, sexual, and violent predators as a means to locate victims,” according to the lawsuit in Superior Court.
But nevertheless the organization has no “specific policies and guidelines concerning conduct of so-called ‘sponsors’” and does little to supervise them.”
You can sue them civilly in court, sue AA WSO and sue the building where it takes place. PLease please out these men in public and if you need help contact us.
Here is the man we outed from The first MAKE AA SAFER Workshop. Looks like pro AA’s were right. He was grabbing a young lady in a Home Goods Store. I guess he forgot he wasn’t in an AA meeting so he just did it anyway. But this time he was really in a Home Goods Store and not in an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting where it would have been covered up and nothing done.
Covina sex offender arrested for second time in two days
COVINA — A registered sex offender arrested Wednesday on suspicion of sexually battering a woman inside a Glendora store was arrested again Thursday on suspicion of child annoyance, police said.
Lance Glock, 51, of Covina, was being held in lieu of $20,000 bail at the Covina Police Department’s jail pending a scheduled arraignment Monday in West Covina Superior Court.
Police were summoned about 1:45 p.m. to a business in the 100 block of West Badillo Street after a 17-year-old girl and business owner “described some really unusual behavior,” Doonan said.
Glock had apparently walked up very close to the girl, making her uncomfortable, while asking for her name and other personal information, the lieutenant said.
Officers found him inside a nearby business and arrested him on suspicion of child annoyance, he said.
Glock had been released from jail in Glendora on his own recognizance the previous day after police in that city arrested him on suspicion of sexually battering a woman inside a HomeGoods store, officials said.
In that incident, he allegedly grabbed the woman from behind and sexually battered her, according to Glendora police.
Glock is a registered sex offender, however his image and address information are not featured on the statewide Megan’s Law database of sex registrants.
Details in his prior conviction were not available.
Read the entire story as it’s breaking here…
When I got sober at 17, AA welcomed me with open arms. I didn’t know back then that some of them were dangerous.
The good news is, you can be anything you want to be in AA. A writer, a flamenco dancer, a bank robber. I’ve met sober drug dealers and sober Oscar-winners. We’re nothing if not diverse, and to my mind, that’s one of the greatest blessings of the program. There’s a richness and breadth of experience in the rooms that’s unlike any other place I’ve been.
The bad news is, you can also be a sexual predator. see the full story and make your comments here… http://www.thefix.com/content/sexual-predators-in-aa-10070